United We Stand: A Pictorial

Joe Biden! Come on down!

For better or worse, Sen. Joe Biden is “The One.” The best out of the best. The closest thing to Hillary Clinton’s talent for pugilism without the whole “we hate each other” pathos. And yeah, he’s said some borderline ignorant things about black people and Asians. So he’ll need a little refresher course in political correctness 101. Newsweek argues that Biden was just the change Barack Obama needed.

In public, Obama’s aides argue there are two main factors that make Biden attractive: his foreign policy experience, and his image as a humble family man from Wilmington, Del. While Biden has decades of experience on Capitol Hill, he commutes to Wilmington each day, and has maintained what sounds like an unscripted voice.

But in private, they point to a much more immediate and strategic reason for his elevation to veep nominee: his killer instincts as a campaigner and his cultural reach.

Obama’s aides admire Biden’s skills as a debater and chief surrogate who can fillet the Republican ticket in speeches and media interviews. For all his problems as a verbose questioner in the Senate, he proved he could turn a one-liner and land a zinger better than almost anyone campaigning for president this year. Biden’s abilities to play the role of attack dog was a winning argument for his selection, allowing Obama himself to remain above the fray.

“He’ll have a fist in the face of John McCain every day and I think he has this level of gravitas as well,” said one senior adviser to Obama. “We’re lucky to have both. It showcases Obama’s judgment that he chose somebody like thisβ€”a good pick not just for August or October, but a good pick in the event that something happens when he’s president of the United States.”

I usually try to keep my emotions out of this whole deal, with the knowledge that this is political theater that is meant to invoke reverberations of hope and optimism. I want to stay focused on the issues and not the drama, but I have to admit, I got a little verklempt during Biden’s anointing to veep candidate.

There was something about seeing this come full circle from Obama’s announcement in Springfield, Ill. to him becoming the presumptive nominee to now selecting his running mate and giving that old dog Biden a chance to bask in Barack’s 100 watt glow. In my heart I want Barack to win, but when I game the system in my head I always see him lose. It’s a frustrating thing, being for a candidate but worrying that despite his talent and skills he could still lose due to a myriad of factors based on the electoral college map.

As I watched and listened I said to Papa Snob, “God, I hope I’m wrong and he wins.”

And Papa said, “If he doesn’t it won’t be because he didn’t have the opportunity.”

And that’s what was magic about it. He seized the moment and went for broke. He is popular. He is liked. He is the nominee. He’s in the lead. He is becoming the de facto head of the party. He is ascending and it is brilliant to watch. Papa and I are amazed. You always hope for it, but never in our lives did we think we’d see it.

During the Missouri Primary Papa admitted that he voted for Hillary out of logic, but his heart was always rooting for Obama. He’s so proud, yet like me, so worried about this election. It’s still early, but the polls are too close for someone so young, fresh and new to be barely edging out mister old, grumpy and devoid of ideas. Perhaps the polling is off. After all, it’s not reaching the millions of people who use their cell phones as their primary line.

Therefore when I saw the “Obama Biden” signs and I saw them on stage together I felt a little twinge of hope. The hard, cold ice of my cynical political heart melting a bit for a long sought after dream.

This is not my favorite dress of Michelle’s, but I have to admit, future FLOTUS was looking hot. Hair on point. Make-up and skin, flawless. Femme, yet fierce. Casual, yet perfect for the great significance of this day. And look at the smile on Barack’s face. I can almost hear him saying, “Wheeeee, I’m the nomineeeee!”

Barack leaves Chicago airport, greets Illinois State Troopers.

Sen. Joe Biden kisses his family good-bye. After years of trying to get to the White House he finally has a golden ticket on Obama Force One. He’s ready to go to work.

They once fought for the top of the ticket. Now they’ve joined forces to fight John McCain and The Machine. Biden may have a big mouth, but I’d rather have that dog sicked on anyone but the “O” man.

It’s a love fest! Everyone feel the duel power of two powerful senators embarking uncharted political waters while their flawless, femme yet fierce wives cheer them on. But it gets more adorable! Looks like Michelle has a new BFF!

Did I mention that Michelle looks ravishing in these pictures? Makes me forget how much I hate that dress’ pattern. She and Jill Biden look wondrous. United they stand, quite fabulously, for Obama-Biden in ’08.

All photos are by Reuters, AFP and The Associated Press.

30 thoughts on “United We Stand: A Pictorial

  1. Snob I like the dress. I did notice she’s wearing flats lest she tower over everyone. I totally understand how you feel. Supposedly this pick gets a lot of older white people on board. Which makes me wonder if they like Biden so much why didn’t they just vote for him in the primaries. It really shows how much things have not changed. So I guess this is how Obama has chosen to address it. He’s playing to win. I wish I felt as happy as some people do.

  2. There are some things in life where you have to keep faith going strong. Maybe we have little faith in Obama defeat because we have never seen a black man fully beat “the machine.” I am very nervous of the November results but we just have to stay positive cause Obama is our only hope whether you are white or black. Also, I just have to put this out there. I have asked alot of people, mainly white, why they chose to vote for McCain versus Obama and no one can give me a real reason. Everyone just says, “Well I think he will just be better even though I don’t know much about Obama.” Who votes for someone they know nothing about????

  3. And Papa said, “If he doesn’t it won’t be because he didn’t have the opportunity.” Perfect. I think that’s what we have to keep in mind. Yes I think Obama is playing to win: the Biden pick shows it. On FP;Georgian/Russia, not to mention Iraq. Are “our” issues at the National level,health care, really that different from Bubba’s,Joe lunch Pail’s, or anyone other American?Obama/Biden 08!ps: noticed the flats as well- good for her that she doesn’t have too skinny /high calves that make that look totally wrong on some women.

  4. Great pictorial but I had to stop and analyze the images with the cops. Look at those mugs. The one at the far end just looks confused. He’s probably thinking, “Well take me out back, cut off my leg, and call me Toby. You mean to tell me, there ARE good ones!?!?”The shortest one looks like he’s waiting for Obama to turn his back so he can shoot because that dark thing on his wrist looks like a gun. When will it end?

  5. I know you don’t take the photos but you have a way of selecting images and pairing them with your always awesome text that always seems to get me excited about this ticket (and as time has passed since our conversation, I’ve become LESS enthused about Obama and more disgruntled about Clinton. Wah.) Anyway, these photos are great and I’m really hoping this ticket pulls it off…I’m also thinking about “Jill” and “Michelle.” These are names of our/my generation – i.e., so many girls I grew up with had these names. Joe’s cantankerous old image not withstanding, I do feel like seeing Jill Biden and Michelle Obama up there says something about the generational appeal of this ticket.

  6. redstar: The Obamas are ridiculously photogenic, so they always tend to take such brilliant, gorgeous photos. I’m always fascinated by the imagery. Whether you like Obama or not, he’s synergenic on a stage.I still wish, WISH, the Obama-Clinton impasse could be fully reconciled with a better embrace of Clinton’s supporters. I realize that some were Hillary or nothing and were disappointed that she wasn’t vetted for nomination. I don’t think Hills would really want to be veep (although it would have been hard to pass up if offered.)The larger issue is Clinton pulled down almost as many votes and Obama and he has to win over her voters to secure the presidency. A lot of Dems have made the switch (Barack as a 20 point lead over McCain in the female vote), but I wonder about others who were really left with nothing but contempt towards Barack for a myriad of reasons.I wonder how much both Clintons’ speeches at the convention will help the party’s cause to take back the White House and win overwhelming majorities in Congress and then it’s payback time, MFers!I don’t get into it alot on the blog, but as you know, Red, I don’t want compromise. I want revenge. I want folks to pay for what they did to this country the last eight years. I don’t want there to be this precedent that the president is King and the congress is rubber stamp. I want people to pay for Walter Reed, Katrina, Iraq War profiteering, the Iraq War, Guantamano, torture, illegal renditions, warrant-less wiretaps, the Patriot Act, no knock warrants, disappearing emails, the politicization of the Dept. of Justice, Supreme Court judges picked for their political views versus their ability to clearly interpret the law impartially, the housing collapse, taking a dump on the Constitution, becoming the enemy we used to fight, etc.HEADS SHOULD ROLL! French Revolution style. We both know that won’t happen, Red. Politicians, even in the opposition, stick together on shit like “well, that was in the past. We’re looking forward.” Nevermind the war dead and injured and destroyed minds and military marriages. But we can dream, right?

  7. I think this is a pick that makes it impossible for anyone who isn’t Republican affiliated already to not vote for him other than race.

  8. “but I wonder about others who were really left with nothing but contempt towards Barack for a myriad of reasons.”I know this is true, but I still don’t get it. What reason (logical, emotional, whatever) do Hillary supporters have to resent Barack Obama so with such vigor. Has he become a kind of shorthand for their deflated hopes?Also, maybe I’m old school, but I’m nervous about what that image (8th from the bottom) of Barack kissing a white woman is gonna do for votes πŸ™‚

  9. Obama loses by 10%. I want the guy to win but he’s not going to. Snob, you are very bright and a great writer, but don’t foget that white folks are always going to be white folks and rule number 1 for white folks is “you are and will always be better than blacks.”

  10. I am so with you on the revenge thing. The Bush administration has totally skated through all of this with practically accountability. –And the “taking a dump on the constitution” part of it just really makes me crazy. All the other stuff sucks, but that is like the highest suck of them all. –And one man was allowed to get away with doing it.About the war–I just watched an African-American short film called “Always Faithful”–It was so hard to watch, and all I could think of was how Bush needs to pay for all of the havock he’s wreaked, all under lies and false pretenses–and he’s getting away with it. Tried to find a link back to the film so you could see it (it’s so hard to watch), but I can’t. Here’s a link to the site itself: http://www.badamitv.com/afriamerfilm/alwaysfaithful.html. Lastly, I don’t get the Clinton-haters’ vitriol for Obama at this point either. She lost–fair and square–so folks need to suck it up and do everything we can to keep McCain and his war-mongering, big-stick-carrying, empty rhetoric spewing, non-critical thinking ass out of office.I haven’t even begun to wrap my brain around what it’s going to be like if he wins. Any thoughts on a McCain administration?

  11. Amen, revenge!I can’t speak for them all, but my impression from blogs with a lot of former Clinton supporters is that there hasn’t been enough outreach towards her supporters as a specific voting bloc. To generalize, we (Clinton supporters) believe:a) not enough has been made of her equally historic run and pulldown of roughly 18m votes;b) there has not been enough outreach from the Dem Party – there’s conversations on record b/w Obama and the CBC, for instance, where he says former Clinton supporters just need more time to get over it and get on board; there’s also a sense that Obama has not been helpful in helping her pay down her debt as part of the apparent agreement that she would campaign for him in exchange;c) and this I don’t agree with, but many supporters believe she didn’t lose fair and square – that’s I think the biggest issue for the true diehards. That there was too much systemic misogyny – some practiced by the Obama campaign and Obama, and that he never spoke out against that practiced by the media.I also don’t expect folks who don’t share these perceptions to get them. I read pro-Obama sites that loathe Clinton and I just don’t get that.I think there are some fundamental perceptions that have really calcified on either side and I have no idea how to break them down. Finally, I’m coming around to Biden as a choice, but my initial response was – if he has all Clinton had minus the 18m votes, then why wasn’t Clinton chosen?And also – doesn’t this contradict the “change” message? Anyway, just an attempt to clarify the “Clintonthink” but again, this is my understanding as a former supporter.

  12. redstar: That was the downside of them both running at the same time. Both runs were/are historic, but the media gravitated to the more sensational and long controversial issue of race in America over sexism … the thing no one wants to talk about considering men control almost all aspects of the media and industry.Plus, Hillary did not initially paint herself as a feminist hero, which I think was to her detriment considering so many women were excited about her run. But her storyline was doomed the minute Barack won Iowa. That blew people’s minds.Per her loss, to think that she was robbed is to ignore Clinton’s most fatal flaw — ignoring the caucus states. If she had concentrated on building a better network Obama wouldn’t have racked up so many wins in a row. She didn’t seems to find her footing until she fired Mark Penn and painted herself as a populist, co-opting Edwards’ shtick. But by then it was too late. So at the end of the day Obama simply had the better game plan.Per the sexism though, I really blame Howard Dean and the DNC. They were supposed to be relatively neutral since either one could win, but said nothing in regards to the sexist rhetoric used in the media and by some surrogates.But I don’t get the intense hate some feel towards the two. I care more about the issues than personality and Barack and Hillary agreed on almost everything. It came down to a matter of personal taste, not policy. That’s why the fights were so passive aggressive with coded language and gaffes.I’m just tired of it. Can everyone stop hating everyone now? The primary is over. MoveOn (.org) indeed.

  13. Hi Redstar,”That there was too much systemic misogyny – some practiced by the Obama campaign and Obama, and that he never spoke out against that practiced by the media.”I honestly don’t recall any misogyny coming from Obama nor his campaign, and I was paying very close attention (he called a reporter “sweetie” but that’s about it). I keep hearing that there was misogyny against Clinton in the media — my cable company doesn’t carry MSNBC (people say some of the misogyny came from Chris Matthews). I did certainly feel that the media coverage of Clinton’s teary-eyed response to an audience member’s question was sexist without a doubt. They portrayed her as weak and made fun of her and that was completely unfair and rife with sexist overtones. But I’m surprised to learn that Clinton’s supporters feel that it was Barack Obama’s responsibility to address it. It is interesting to learn though. “I read pro-Obama sites that loathe Clinton and I just don’t get that.”Now, the reasons for loathing Clinton: this is my area of expertise. Keep in mind that as of early January of this year, I actually supported Hillary Clinton (I always liked Barack Obama, but figured “he’s young, he’s got time”).Hillary Clinton did not keep a tight enough grip on the racist tactics employed by people in her campaign, with particular attention to former President Bill Clinton (you just don’t say things like “Jesse Jackson won here” – you just don’t say it). Sure she fired a few people for off-color remarks, but the overall trend was very offensive and disturbing. Aside from Bill Clinton’s red-faced tirades, we saw the admission that circulating e-mails suggesting that Obama was a Muslim and swore his senatorial oath on the Qur’ran came from Clinton staffers. We saw her align with Bob Johnson and his loud, ignorant mouth and, to almost zero media coverage, we saw her supporter Andrew Young say (albeit jokingly) that Bill Clinton “is just as Black as Barack” and that he probably slept with more Black women than Barack…

    These are just a few of my reasons for loathing Clinton (I’m trying to keep this post relatively short). Black voters like me, feel an extra sense of betrayal from the Clintons. We gave them our undying support from the moment Bill sat on Arsenio’s couch 16 years ago. I actually felt hurt when these (and other) tactics came from her campaign and I’m a big cynic…I don’t think Biden contradicts the “change” message. Obama’s the one who’s running for President. The Vice-President spends a lot time presiding over the Senate and it’s good for those Senate folks to know and respect him (I’m too young to remember whether Dan Quayle was effective in this role – anyone??). He can actually benefit greatly from the advice of an insider, but he doesn’t have to take that advice if he feels it’s too “old world.” Besides, foreign relations is just too important; I think you need a kyat who knows that stuff cold…

  14. bklynbam: I think that because Hillary Clinton didn’t have a plan “B” for Barack winning Iowa or the other caucus states accounted for the haphazard way the campaign was run. They were perpetually playing back up.Per the sexism from the Obama campaign, I can only think of two or three incidents that annoyed me. One was the “you’re nice enough” comment at the New Hampshire debate because it made Barack look passive/aggressive and petty. Then he had the female surrogate who called her a monster, but that was a bit overblown. Another was his insinuation that he could get her voters but she couldn’t get his (that was more chest thumping than sexist though.)Then there was the general expectation for the women, who’d been just into Hillary as the young, black and brown were into OBama, should just get over it.I only took offense at this because if things had gone the other way and Obama netted a near identical number of votes I know for a fact the Clintons and the DNC would be telling us the same thing — suck it up. You don’t have any other place to go.Barack’s bigger problem then (which he is working on now out of necessity) was that like a lot of men he was a touch tone deaf on women’s issues. Just like some folks just didn’t see the “racism” with Barack and accused us of being whiners. A lot of us couldn’t see the “sexism” Clinton dealt with. But both Clinton and Obama tried hard NOT to run based on race or gender so they were kind of stuck not being able to call things what they were out of being accused of playing those mythical cards the media likes to talk about.But Obama’s definitely meeting the learning curve on women’s issues faster than John McCain, who can’t even answer a contraception/Viagra medical insurance question.As for all your reasons for Clinton leaving a bad taste in your mouth, that’s understandable. I’ve said it before, she ran a sloppy campaign that resorted to desperate tactics at times. They just weren’t functional and it fed into the stereotype that they’d do anything to win.Plus, she burned her black support beyond recognition. I think she wrongly assumed she’d lost the black vote anyway post Iowa. The reality was instead of the black vote going 80-20/90-10 for Barack, they could have carved out a 35 percent margin or higher. Enough black people liked them to still vote for them even with Obama in the race, as he was a relative unknown. They went nuclear. Hence the bitterness.That’s why I suggested the camp with the trust building exercises. There was just a high level of prickliness being this was a battle between two historically unrepresented subgroups often subjugated by the rich, white male hierarchy. So we’re all HIGHLY sensitive to everything. Every criticism or attack could be misinterpreted as racism or sexism.

  15. yeah, you just shouldn’t take chances with making edgy jokes when speaking off the cuff — 7 times out of 10 it backfires. Barack should have kept his mouth shut instead of saying “You’re likeable enough.” I used to argue that the original likeability question that the moderator haf asked Hillary Clinton was not necessarily sexist because the same thing could have been asked of John Kerry. Upon further review, however, the historical context of women needing to be “sweet” and “nice” makes a difference and the moderator should have had better judgment and never asked it. I have to disagree that she tried hard to keep racism out of the campaign though. If she had tried hard and if she were an effective leader/manager, we wouldn’t have heard half of the stuff we heard. I will always applaud John McCain and the way he has run his campaign. He stood up early on and publicly said that there’s no place for racial and religious fear-mongering in this contest, and so far he has stuck to his promise. He hasn’t even brought up Jeremiah Wright, and that’s almost fair game since we’ve already know about it. Also keep in mind that John McCain has to keep not only his staffers in line, but also the RNC.Had Hillary Clinton adopted this mindset and stuck to it — hell, she probably could have won (she certainly would have had more Black votes — maybe even mine)…

  16. I have a Biden story. White male southern friend of mine. He’s a Democrat, so he was going to vote for Obama regardless. From Virginia, Catholic, Irish. Left me a message. Totally thrilled about Biden. Says that his 80something father is now on board for Obama too. ( I don’t get Biden and the AARP crowd, but there it is AGAIN).You know I had issues with Biden, but the one thing I believed, from the moment he stepped out on that stage – HE WON’T TRY AND DOUBLECROSS OBAMA. I’m SO tired of Barack Obama being surrounded by folks with ‘ D’ attached to their name, and we have to SEE whether or not they’re REALLY on his side. Biden is going to help Barack get elected or die trying. And THAT is very important to me. Too many mofos in the Democratic Party are only half-heartedly supporting Barack, and I think it’s time we took names. The Clintonistas don’t have SHIT to say about Biden. AS IF she remotely compares to him. ….NOT.About Michelle’s dress – my least favorite, but I so admire that she’s not paying folks like me any mind, and just wears the hell out of it. I love that she wore flats too. She and Jill Biden look great together, and will probably do well campaigning together.

  17. bklynbam,I’d like to sign on to Danielle’s response to you – she’s right on. Bill Clinton’s Jesse Jackson remark – I tense up every time I hear it because 2 weeks prior Jesse Jackson, Jr., Obama’s campaign co-chair, was on the news questioning the authenticity of H. Clinton’s tears – incl. by insinuating that she never cried over Katrina or Iraq. The whole statement was so out-of-line and inflamatory, and I think those kinds of remarks – as Danielle points out – came out of both campaigns throughout the primary. Anyway, Sen. Clinton blew it – I think she lost in February, but I think both candidates – whether by intent or not – both came to represent much more for many of us than they necc. should, as fairly centrist, middle-of-the-road Democrats.I can’t argue effectively about this – I am one of the voters who got way over-invested in Clinton’s campaign, in a way I have not before when it comes to electoral politics (I’m usually a totally detached cynic). I supported both Obama and Clinton through the winter, voted for Clinton on Super Tuesday while still liking the both of them, but really got wrapped up in the Clinton hype over the months such that I can’t separate Obama from the context of the primary. And Dean and the DNC leadership – I agree with Danielle, I blame them too.Sigh. I think I’m ok with the Biden pick, and I’m looking forward to the pomp and circumstance of the Convention. Not to mention Danielle’s continued fabulous coverage.

  18. PS: to Bklynbam again:I have to totally disagree with your McCain impression. I’ve read a lot of horror over his “celebrity” campaign ads, which people appear to find racist and/or sexist (the latter by trying to portray Obama as as silly as a girl, or as effete.)

  19. Yeah, I never meant to imply that McCain’s tactics were tasteful, but to call them racist or sexist takes a bit of a stretch, I think. I do see the implication, but it’s not close to what we saw in the Dem primaries — yes, he is tastelessly making fun of Obama, but he’s not fear-mongering and playing on people’s prejudices. I definitely remember the ridiculous charges that her tears were false, but I didn’t realize that some of them came from J. Jackson Jr. That was a s**tty thing to say, but this is the first I’ve heard of it… Thanks, I understand a little better now πŸ™‚

  20. Is there anything Michele can’t wear? Those are 4 attractive people on our ticket. Even if Biden is a little wrinkly. Not that that’s the important thing in this election…. ahem. But they do look very appealing and attractive on stage.I’m satisfied with Biden. There isn’t a Veep I felt strongly about, and none of them were perfect. And as long as we didn’t get anyone gross, meh. I’m voting for the top of the ticket, not the bottom. What I like about Joe Biden: even though he’s seen as a safe choice, the way I think he’s like Barack in that he offers a lot. And he has charisma and humor. Even though Biden is gaffe-prone and supported the war (blech) initially, he is earthy and likeable and straight-talking, and this is how he differs from the usual “safe” candidate, like Gore, Kerry, or Clinton.@ snob, bklynbam + redstar: the only truly sexist thing I saw come out of Obama’s camp was that Jesse Jackson Jr. comments about Clinton’s tears. It was gross and inappropriate and I’m angry that Obama didn’t call him out on it. And also the sweetie comment, but I think Obama was sincere in his apology and will be conscious of that kind of stuff. This isn’t a man with any negative record on women’s issues or disrespect towards women in general. I think it was a verbal gaffe perhaps showing something Barack should expand his consciousness on, rather than something grosser like a premeditated tactic to undermine your opponent based on gender or race.Samantha Power calling Clinton a monster was no big to me. It’s not a sexist moniker, and Power was the only grownup of the people who said offensive things this campaign cycle — she had the guts to truly own her mistake and make a sincere public apology to Hillary Clinton, and not make excuses for herself.

  21. people from brooklyn are very smart aren’t they? :)that is 100% on the money BK#2.. even after factoring in J. Jackson Jr’s comment, i really don’t get how Clinton supporters could resent Barack Obama so much, and especially after all this time… the bulk of whatever sexism was directed at her is simply not attributable to him in any reasonable way… *sigh*

  22. First, the “bulk” of sexism is definitely not attributable to Obama directly. Of course. It’s all in the eye of the beholder re: the sexism from the Obama campaign, incl. from Sen. Obama. Shakesville did a Hillary Sexism Watch that had 106 or 108 listings in it through June, incl. some from Sen. Obama. One you may remember was his (and I paraphrase slightly) “periodically when she’s feeling down, the claws come out.” There was also, as I mentioned upthread, the women will “get over it” comment to members of the CBC. I think like with the Clinton campaign being perceived as being racist, the overall effect of a series of of comments from Obama that rankled women and/or feminists has led many to conclude that he is/was dismissive of Clinton/women and was part of the systemic sexism Clinton faced. I think we could all go on trading endless tit-for-tats here b/w the 2 campaigns. It strikes me that we either have to agree to disagree on how we view the campaigns and the candidates, or find a way to give the person who feels on the receiving end of the -ism the benefit of the doubt of her/his experience. This has been the first thread in awhile where I feel like I’ve had even a modest discussion with Obama supporters re: the primary or Clinton or Obama that hasn’t been hostile or contentious. I’m grateful for that (and that means that neither me nor the person I’m “talking” to has gotten testy or obnoxious). Personally, I’m trying to dig myself out of my Clinton-osphere and back into the blogosphere more generally.

  23. I think this is a good pick. Barack needs a bad cop to his good cop and Biden can do that shit with a smile. He made a crack about every sentence out of Rudy Guliani’s mouth being “a noun, a verb and 9/11” that was priceless. Imagine what he’ll do to McCain and his constantly reminding people that he is a POW? He knows McCain and all of his buttons and all of his dirt. I can’t wait.

  24. “This has been the first thread in awhile … that hasn’t been hostile or contentious.”thanks redstar! I figured out a long time ago that people by-and-large (of all ideologies) are fundamentally ill-equipped with the faculties for *true* debate, and ignorant of the idea (which I think is obvious) that the most effective way to enlighten someone to your perspective is to show, in at least some reasonable way, that you see hers or his. but, every now and then, you do get to have a mutually enlightening, civil discussion (even if it’s at the cost of not getting any real work done all day πŸ˜‰

  25. bklynbam,too true. i would much rather be hanging out in a blacksnob thread than packing up my &^&*^% apartment! Moving in a week. Blech…

  26. redstar and bklynbam: Yes. Everything is working according to plan. Soon we’ll all be drunk off of Daquiris in a Denver, Colo. Howard Johnson singing “We Shall Over Come” and the Pina Colada song. … And the lion will lay down with the lamb! Cats and dogs living together! It’ll be awesome! Group hug!

  27. I watch cnn every morning and every morning the polls on who is ahead in the Prez race closes. This morning it was 47% Obama 47% McCain. The deal is white folks are looking around shaking and saying, “Wait a minute. We were just trying to scare the GOP. We actually might elect a nigra?! Oh shit we can’t do that.”White flight is definitely going to be key in this election. There is no valid reason why people should not elect Obama. Especially now that his VP adds to his ticket all the things that folks were complaining he didn’t have. I don’t see him winning either. And if he does I’ll be very surprised. I live in Minnesota. The pseudo “liberal” state. And I see white folks every day walking around with Obama shirts on that wouldn’t even say hi to a regular black person. I have to say snob I just don’t see him winning. Also, look around at the subtle changes the Bush admin is making. First, after Obama went overseas and talked about a logical pull out time. There were sound bites on the news that the Bush admin is putting together a deal to have the troops out by next year. Then watch how the gas prices are slowly dropping. By the time November gets here gas prices will be back to where they were last year at that time. Gas prices and the War are two key issues that Dems were standing on.People call me a conspiracy theorist but having worked in higher ed, the most bullsh*t pc place in the world (i.e. say you’re about diversity but actions show you’re not) I see white folks flip flop all the time. And believe me folks are scared. No matter that the world is looking at America wondering if our hypocritcal rhetoric will really stand up to the test of time. anyway sorry for the long post.

  28. I LOVE her crazy, purple dress. Love it!I think there is a HUGE chance of Obama winning. I’d be so disappointed if he didn’t win. I just realized that I’ve been preparing to have him as president. The kids are following the race (5 and 7 years old) and THEY’RE aware that he may be president. I REALLY want him to win. I also just realized that even though people make fun of him and the word “Change” all the time, I’m more than certain that I’d prefer his “change” to anything McCain has up his sleeve!They all look amazing. OBAMA ’08!

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