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Sep022011

Kreayshawn & V-Nasty: The Unholy Thing Rap Created

"WE DIDN'T LISTEN!" (Via South Park Studios)There's an episode of the cartoon South Park that parodies the film "The Day After Tomorrow" and hysteria over Global Warming where the citizens of South Park run around fleeing the "warming" while screaming, "We didn't listen!" While this was simply a delicious Hollywood film cliche satire, I couldn't help but think of it when I read Darth Kriss' recent post on Insanity Report about the advent of Kreayshawn and some person called V-Nasty in the world of hip hop.

Kreayshawn, a woman of European origin who obviously grew up listening to way too much Gucci ManeCrucial Conflict and Lil Wayne, received a lot of attention last weekend when she was up for a MTV Video Music Award for some of the weakest rapping I'd heard since HWA. I seriously thought she was kidding and was merely a new member of Lonely Island. Maybe Jorma "Jorm" Taccone in a wig. That Jorma, I thought. He's so funny. He created his own skinny, white rapping Madea of some kind.

But no. It wasn't a joke. Kreayshawn is a thing and that thing is happening. And it is happening because ... we didn't listen.

From Insanity Report:

My first thought is, this is exactly what white people feared about rap music infecting their kids.  I take back all my original objections to the generalizations.  If this is the result of even 1 white kid listening to rap music, then as a member of the Black Delegation, I am sorry.  We didn’t mean for this to happen. 

Yes. Tipper Gore, with her advisory labels and protests against 2 Live Crew and Prince, tried to warn us. She told us their children would not "get" it and it would warp their "fragile little minds." But we didn't listen. And now, behold, to all the rappers who said the "n-word" like it was their last name, look at what you have created.

You knew not what you did. (Video language NSFW)

Not everyone likes the thing that is happening that is Kreayshawn. Mostly because she's channelling Quentin Tarantino in Pulp Fiction and is using the "n-word" as if she grew up being called it by racists and disparaging Negroes alike. See? She said it with an "a" on the end. That's not racist. That's just "down."

I assume V-Nasty adopted the N-word out of an uninformed solidarity, not because she had some fantasy about being Young Berg, the Jigga ManGhostface or Doug-E-Fresh without all the actual uncomfortable-ness of being black in America.

It's a pretty common mistake I encountered a lot when I was an entertainment reporter in California, hanging out the culture kids associated with various art and music scenes, often explaining to them that while it may be perfectly fine to say that shit to their fellow culture kids, don't ever call me that shit or I'll murder you. I don't even let other black people call me a "nigga." I'll be damned if some 15-year-old aspiring skateboard artist who thinks racism ended in 1970 thanks to a horrible public school system he barely attends does. I felt like I was constantly correcting folks who "weren't racist" but also didn't seem to think racist things happened anymore. In California. In Bakersfield.

It's the afterbirth of "progress" -- Masses of under-educated, uniformed kids who think the Culture Wars ended and they won even though Prop. 8 passed. Who think a black person being denied a table at Denny's has to be a lie since they've never seen that shit happen before and they even had a black girlfriend once, but will admit they're afraid to ever visit the American South because they think the Klan still runs it and will shoot them on sight. All the while ignoring every horrible, racist thing that still happens two feet in front of them in California.

During the VMA's corpulent rapper Rick Ross tried to get at Kreayshawn and the two had a little shouting match. But America's Parody Amy Winehouse, minus the talent, was safe since she had several very large black bodyguards to shield her from Ross. Apparently it all stemmed from her "dissing" Ross, apologizing, then dissing again, the N-word thing, her having a terrible flow, breathing air, existing, etc. Of course, Ross shouldn't have got so mad, as we all had a hand in creating this Frankenstein Monster of Suck.

Because we didn't listen.

People still don't understand that it utterly destroyed comedian Dave Chappelle when he realized people weren't laughing with him at his subversive jabs against ignorance and racism on The Chappelle Show, but were merely chuckling with glee at shouting "I'm Rick James, Bitch" without having a clue who Rick James was, thinking because a black character who calls everyone a "nigga" is a thing on the TV white people can reclaim "nigger" from its hateful heritage and re-adopt as their own.

I'm sure Chappelle at many points in his career was told by others wiser than him that people are not that smart, wouldn't get that he was being subversive and he could potentially cause more damage than good.

But he didn't listen.

In fact, he ran away practically screaming "I didn't listen" as he entered self-imposed exile. 

Kreayshawn, with her horrible flow, and V-Nasty, with her ... whatever that is ... exist because the natural conclusion to this is that some of the kids who grew up listening to gangsta rap, hip hop, drug rap, whatever and LOVE IT will want to emulate it. Whether that's their reality or not. There's nothing you can really do about how your music will inspire future artists and wannabes. Sometimes you get Eminem. Sometimes you get this horrible shit. Take your medicine, people. I know it tastes bad.

I'll let Darth Kriss have the final word.

Again, to white people…I’m sorry.  I had no idea your kids were so impressionable (and stupid) and that left unchecked would enter into such an unbelievable state of fuckery and ridiculousness.  I’m now aware of the problem and I will now do my part to slap the headphones out the ears of the next young white kid I see mouthing the words to the Carter IV.

(H/T Flyblackchick)

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Reader Comments (21)

Get ready for the post-modern white feminists way to be down. White girls throwing around the N-Word and hacking black culture because black dudes won’t call them out on it, because they are too busy trying to get in their pants and fuck their way out of oppression. All because fake lesbian kissing has lost its edge.

September 2, 2011 | Unregistered Commenteranon

*Files for trademark for "Tipper Gore Was Right" T-Shirts and apparel.

September 2, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDash

please tell me you plan on selling "WE DIDN'T LISTEN" t-shirts

September 2, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterthelady

wow, I saw this video before and thought it was a skit on some comedy show....I didn't realize this was serious...

September 2, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterckimyonw

You know, this is exactly the reason why even *I* (person who grew up on Three 6 Mafia and Southern rap), has begun to listen to all rap less and less. Not only does 95% of it talk trash about women and is just generally awful and manufactured, it develops these wannabes from all walks of life who think fucking Wiz Khalifa and Rick Ross are amazing musicians and that Soldier Boy is the voice of our generation (maybe in YOUR extremely limited point of view, but not in MINE). And thus because of this modern day 'make-a-song-with-a-hot-beat-and-draw-a-check' get rich quick scheme our black boys have been buying into for years, you get people like these little white kids who will emulate whatever-the-fuck they hear because they think it's 'cool' without 1) Questioning it or 2) Educating themselves on the history of it to avoid looking like a dumbass.

The problem I've been facing in my youth is that the more this happens, the more people see it as normal and thus don't understand why they're being shunned/called a racist/everyone is looking at them like that. Our collective educations about racism and black/white everything are that bad. It's heartbreaking, really.

Oh, you want to hear a fun story! Had to de-friend this chick on Facebook because one of her girls attended a 'Pimps and Ho's' party where some ignorant asshole (naturally) arrived in black face. When these pictures hit the internetz and were met with derision, this 'friend' of mine proceeded to comment with: "IT'S JUST A JOKE - IT'S NOT RACIST! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS IS RACIST!"

I have many, many more stories of general privileged white kid ignorance but I'll hold back. These two little 'rappers' are all the proof one needs to see that not understanding basic things like AMERICAN HISTORY will lead to... well... more privileged white kid ignorance (and not to say black kids aren't ignorant -- they sure as hell are in a multitude of ways). I think little black kids tend to be further informed by parents/loved-ones/that one middle school teacher about why it's bad when others treat black culture as a trend or a fashion accessory. Question for you, Snob: When I come into these types of situations - say I'm having a conversation with an aspiring Kreayshawn, I want to help make them aware of the errors of their ways... but I don't know how without coming off as the angry black person or just further confusing their precious, simple little minds. Any advice?

September 3, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMelody

@ Melody

Usually my reaction depends on the context. Like, if they're just into black culture for the shock value -- like being a kid who says the word "nigga" for the attention, essentially a "troll" in real life -- I usually just make it clear I don't have time for this crap and that I will be respected. This is usually just to get them to understand that I don't know them, we are not "cool" and every black person is different. They need to realize they can't roll up on every black person and just assume they'll be fine with it.

But if they have a genuine passion and curiosity for African American culture, I'll try to appeal to their interests. First getting them to understand that they shouldn't assume I'd be cool with them acting overly familiar anymore than they'd be cool with a virtual stranger shouting swear words at them or being needlessly vulgar. Then I usually try to engage in a conversation about the history of hip hop, suggest some listening and reading material, and get a dialog going on their interpretations of the music. It's key to find out if they actually have a clue as to what they're listening to and what these things mean if they're really far removed from the reality of the music.

For instance, when I lived in Bakersfield my upstairs neighbors (who happened to be white) LOVED the Chappelle Show. When they told me this I asked them why. They said, "It's funny." Then I asked them if they knew who "Rick James" was. They looked ashamed and said, "No." I then asked them if they found that they often didn't get the context of many of Chappelle's jokes, and they admitted, they did not. These were smart, college educated individuals, but they hadn't grown up with black people and didn't know much about black culture outside of what they'd seen on basic cable or heard in music. So we, quite honestly, had a nice history discussion of African Americans in popular culture so they could have a better understanding of what they were laughing at besides absurdity and swears.

But, again, it's important to know your audience. Some people are open minded. And some just want shock. Sometimes the shock people are a loss cause and not worth your time. They'll just end up offending you. For those who were curious, the longer they knew me the more annoyed they were in how little they actually knew about our shared history as Americans due to the fact that most public schools don't do that great a job teaching history in general -- let alone the history of black Americans.

September 3, 2011 | Registered CommenterDanielle Belton

Here's how you need to deal with them. LOL.

Weird Science Clip - You Tube

September 3, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJMac

When I first saw Gucci Gucci, I thought it was a parody commercial from MTV, and then I realized that MTV has no real sense of humor anymore.

There is something really twisted about the notion that Kreayshawn, the wannabe gangsta girl (who complains that the knocks against her are "gang violence") and film school dropout, is in a beef with Rick Ross, the faux gangster who used to be a prison guard. How are we to expect three clueless suburban chicks to understand that there is any problem with the White Girl Mob when Ross is no more of a gangster than they are?

September 4, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterCandigirl

Hip hop has been in the toilet for quite a while (long before any of these very ignorant and confused white kids showed up); I've come to think of manifestations like this as "hip hop residue."

September 4, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterPenny

Aside from the fact that they generally suck, I'm gonna have to reserve my full judgement untill I see proof that these chicks are really as "hood" as they claim to be. I'm not one of those that think that the ability to rap or understand hip-hop is something that comes free with a certain amount of melanin, nap-index, or lip to nose ratio. I honestly grew up with white folks that were just as authentically "hood" as any black person who actually lived and grew up in the hood and were far from "Vanilla-Icey" tourist. Hip hop is not about color anymore than any other kind of music, its an art form and if someone's got "it" they do. To write off any white person as a poser if they are into hip hop is as silly as assuming anyone with brown skin and kinky hair is "down" knows what a quarter-water" is, or knows the current street value for a book of food-stamps. With that said, even if they were truly born and raised in Bed-Stuy on the third floor of a tenament above Biggie and beneath Jay-Z , they will never be "hood" enough to get away with using that word.

September 5, 2011 | Unregistered Commenternovanova

Snob, your answer to Melody was a really good one. Not sure if what I have to say is an addition or something that I just need to get off my chest as I've been thinking about it damn near constantly since the election of Barack Obama. One, there needs to be a serious conversation about what exactly racism was in this country. I have no idea how this happened, but a very Mickey Mouse, i.e. childish/-like, understanding of racism has come to be the mainstream one in this country. Racism has seriously been boiled down to slavery, Jim Crow, the Klan, and lynching. That's it. It's like that's all racism was, and if you weren't involved in any of those things and, most importantly, aren't from the South then you there is no way that you can be racist. Because lord knows there weren't race riots in the North and no such thing as "white flight" either. White supremacy was the fundamental ideology of racism throughout much of this country's history, but that is never part of any discussion. At least not the ones I'm hearing.

Two, why is "hip hop" or "rap," (two increasingly nebulous terms) synonymous with "black culture"? Some serious essentializing went on to get that equation to work. I feel like your post and the comments are really speaking to that misguided analogy. Hip hop is not an "in" with me. Somebody needs to put that on a t-shirt!!

September 7, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterlmarie

Interesting perspective, is it any better that scores of black children are doing the exact same thing? I just hope readers get that rap has really gone from skill, or art form, to mass produced mockery. They're "N" dropping boy bands... all that's missing is being made in China to be like any other product. Rappers used to need cred in addition to talent.. now they just need a hook and autotune.

September 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterFrank

Is it just me, or do these girls look like they got their outfits from the Hot Topic in the mall in the whitest part of town and practiced black vernacular listening to rap albums in the bedroom of their parents' Hollywood Hills home?

They remind me of the old vaudeville "blackface" performers without the burnt cork.

September 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterBiff Humble

Danielle, I believe V-Nasty is Kreayshawn's sister. I've only heard of them through Elon James White's Blacking It Up podcast and much like everyone else (over the age of 15) thought it was a parody. I was on another site where they were heralding Lil Wayne over JayZ and Kanye. Not a big fan of Jay but I had to shake my head and walk away.

September 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterShazza

As a black man, I can't help but feel this Kreayshawn nonsense is partly our fault. I can't say I'm surprised that a couple California white girls believe liking rap means they can say "nigga" with impunity. Just like I run around Chinatown calling vendors "chinks" because I own Supercop and Rumble in the Bronx.

I say I'm not surprised because up here in Canada I've met a several white girls with a Mandingo fetish who will drop the N-Bomb without so much as an afterthought. They believe because they were on the receiving end of Toronto Argonauts train in an odorous hotel room or nailed whatever washed up rapper comes to town, they are one of "us" and can now use the word. Maybe they're right. Going back to my first point that we black men are to blame, very few of us dare correct her for using the term. Instead what we get is "she put an 'a' at the end, homie" or, in response to the VMAs "Ross better leave that PAWG Kreayshawn alone." Sad.

September 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterDaniel Douglas

Howdy Snobs,

I stumbled upon this site by trying to find out more about V nasty and Kreayshawn. I am not Afro-American, and I've never lived in US or Canada, but I have been listening to rap for about 26 yrs now. I use the N-word often when I speak to my close friends who also grew up on hip hop, it is a term of endearment, and our confirmation of allegiance to rap music. I really do believe that there is far less racism in western world than there was before, and I have a feeling that education, media and at least rap to some degree have helped change this. I remember playing KRS1 when I was a kid for months non-stop, I got a whiff of the black struggle and I won't be forgetting it in a hurry, don't worry. My favourite song was NWA's "Express Your Self" with the video clip that demonstrates revolt against the oppressor. Anyway, I am not going to defend the use of N-word outside the "culture kids" circles, but you may consider it as a proof of triumph that rap has brought about. Because for every non Afro-American kid that spits it, it means that they have listened to rap, have an appreciation or at least a basic understanding for black struggle even though it may not be apparent to you guys. In my day the white racist kids at school would never listen to rap, they would mock it and beat up on white kids that did.. so keep that in mind for whatever it's worth.

With Kreayshawn I find that it is a new chapter for rap music, it is mixed up of feminism, rawness of gangster rap, techno music and Y Gen. I think that it is at it’s infancy, some songs like Gucci Gucci are quite good – listen to it loud 5x and I bet you will have it in your head – others are experimental and are difficult to appreciate or even get through. For someone like me who has been listening to hard-core gangster rap for over 2 decades, I can see the historical influence, the current influence and the potential of where it can go, this all makes it more delicious to me and I have far more patience with it than most. Nicky Minaj , Lil Wayne and Gucci Mane are all heavy influences with WGM and they have helped the resurgence of gangster rap but in a different form, which being my most loved genre is something I revel in, rather than dismiss.

December 21, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterOGMac

@ OGMac

Hey. Thought I'd reply, even though this post is old and you admitted you're not really from the US or Canada, so you actually don't know America's history of horrible race relations. Which is what is at root here. Hip hop (something I have also listened to my entire life being that I was at the prime age for hip hop being 34 and growing up on it as it reached the peak of popularity in the United States during the 80s and 90s) is not synonymous with black culture. It is a part of black culture, a subculture. And a specific subculture of music, dance, fashion and art (we're not even getting into religious, historical, social, political or ethnic culture). It is something black Americans created. But it is by no means a full representation and/or monolith.

To judge what is and is not acceptable by what is said in hip hop -- by rappers -- who are using the term as a colloquialism they use among themselves, and assume that all of these same rappers would be OK with a non-white person saying it (or even certain black people) is ... to put it mildly ... hopelessly naive. The word "nigger" and all it's derivatives is an ethnic slur that is still, to this day, not used in polite company. You would not say it while on a job interview. You would not refer to your boss as such. You do not say it in front of your grandmother. You do not use it with the teacher at school. It's essentially a racially charged version of the swear word "mother fucker."

While for some black people it is a term of fellowship among each other, for many, many, many other black people it is not. Case in point: my own family where my father uses it, but my mother hates the word with a passion and has never used it outside of a historical context (for example: quoting a story where a lynch mob called a black person a nigger before they murdered them in the rural South or someone telling them "no niggers allowed" as she grew up in the rural South when it was still segregated, which was still going on in many parts of the South and enforced by the rule of law as recently as the 1970s).

The word is offensive and controversial among all Americans, regardless of who is throwing it around. It is a false illusion of relaxed comfort that exists when the term is used in Hip Hop as many pioneering rappers were only saying it for shock value, or "cool points" anyway, much like the word "mother fucker." They know how to talk around their mothers. It's not the word "y'all." They know not to say that in mixed settings.

Which brings us back to the larger issue -- why does this word bother people. Because people in America who don't like black people still use it to dehumanize and insult black people. Because people have called President Barack Obama a "nigga" and they were not using it as a term of endearment. Only now when someone meaning to hurt people slings the word they get to plead ignorance and say, "Oh, but I heard it in a rap song."

Which is by far, the weakest excuse ever when a white person is using the slur in the way it was originally intended -- as an insult white people could hurl at black people.

That said, if you're friends and you think it's cool, it's probably best to keep it among you and your friends where it will not be misunderstood. You cannot expect people in a country that has been shaped by systematic and historical racism in the way America has to ever be 100 percent cool with anyone else using it. You just can't. That won't happen. It's not even about cultural understanding or being down. Also, the word "nigga" is not the defining word of hip hop. Overused to the point of being a non-creative crutch? SURE. It's definitely that. But you can even enjoy most music without the word at all. They aren't joined together in matrimony, forever and ever Amen. You can learn about someone's struggle without adopting the word of that same person's oppression that they were using to subvert that oppression. Nothing forces you to attach a coolness cache to the word that for many is the equivalent of calling a Jewish person a "kike."

But there is no coolness cache to "kike." (Which was the POINT of this blog post. That black people in music used the n-word so much it became part of popular culture and started to be used by white kids which pissed off and offended those same rappers.) There is probably no coolness cache because to the credit of many in the Jewish community they don't sling it around in their popular entertainment. Jerry Seinfeld does not drop a bunch of "kike" jokes into his stand-up. I don't know any young Jewish people fighting for the right to call themselves this out of "fellowship." But that's the difference between a people who've been allowed to stay together throughout their oppression versus a group of people whose families were destroyed and separated and sold off in their oppression, adopting slurs as terms of endearment would probably be a demarcation.

Black American Culture is so impressive because it should even be there. Racism tried so hard to separate us and destroy anything that could our own. But black people in this country originally started using the word "nigger" about ourselves because that's what our owners told us we were and it was the only word we knew to describe ourselves. As time marched on, we fought to define and name ourselves, while larger white culture kept giving us new names while still holding on to that original name (a derivative of the word "Negro") to simply insult us whenever they wanted to "put us in our place." Hence why you have people who still use who are black because black people have ALWAYS used it, versus black people who reject it because they hate what the word means, how it came about, how it is used and its history. They feel there is no way to make something that dirty clean. But no one's ever going to fully agree. So the debate continues.

As for racism in America -- things are better. They're not great. How you get treated still depends on where you live and it's a larger country. What's going on in Los Angeles isn't happening in Alabama. What's awesome in Washington, D.C. is not poppin' in St. Louis -- my hometown. Again, you can't base racial progress on your world or just your friends. You have to look at the totality and in totality -- it's a mixed bag. Many have argued (and I agree with quite a bit of them), much of the opposition to our President within the United States is rooted in historical racial acrimony. Others have argued his very election is a symbol of progress. I'd argue that it's both -- that people are still racist and we've gotten better enough to elect a black guy president.

Which brings us back to the word "nigga." You can love hip hop and not use it so why did V-Nasty use it? It can't be that she didn't know the word would rile people outside of her circle. Likely she knew it would bother people and did it on purpose or she is so delusional and cut off from the everyday realities of life in America she's ignorantly irresponsible. But she's from Oakland. Home of many race riots and police beatings. She can't be that clueless.

More than likely, she thinks the word is cool and doesn't care and probably wonders why she can't say it because, you know, she has black friends, likes black people and black culture, so, you know, she's not using it in the mean way. She's using it in the cool way.

Problem -- for some people there will never be a cool way to say it. These people don't even like it when black people say it. I am one of those black people. I am not alone. It's a 50-50 shot when you shout on the world "nigga" that someone will either ignore you or want to punch you in the mouth. When you take that risk, it's on you. You can't get mad at the person who hates the word that was used historically to oppress them and you can't tell them how they should feel about it, as you did not go through that oppression and will never, ever understand -- no matter how many rap albums you listen to. Because rap is a small part of black culture. Not the whole. If you truly are fascinated by African American culture, I'd suggest you chase your hip hop with some history lessons. At least if you're going to throw the thing around, potentially offending people, you should be informed.

December 21, 2011 | Registered CommenterDanielle Belton

Thank you for taking time to answer my blog statement, I appreciate the effort especially being an old blog post. Don't worry I am in agreement with you on most part, and let me assure you I would not throw the N-word around outside of my hip hop friends, I do realize how offensive it can be to Afro – Americans and I realize that it is not a good word for black folk to be throwing around in general conversation amongst each other either.

With music however things are different. For all it’s worth, I have found that with hard-core gangster rap, it is an uncensored, raw exploration of human emotion (similar to punk and dark metal) that to me and I suspect many others is the very appeal of gangster rap music (not R&B type of Rap). I think many gangster rap artists out there didn’t necessarily go out and deal drugs, slap women around and kill people but they sang about it as if they did, they put themselves in a mindset that reflected their environment and the stories going on around them. I think this privilege should also be given to up and coming gangster rap artists, so when V Nasty talks the way she does, she wants to be able to do the same – right or wrong. Remember V nasty belongs to gangster rap genre, so we should not be expecting the same from her as you would from say Del La Soul, same as when one attends a punk or death metal concert one would not expect politically correct modes of expression.

Gangster rap music on the surface is offensive on so many counts, it is offensive to especially to women, and it is violent and disgusting at times (the use of the N-word can't be the only one), I only listen to it on my own with head phones, I would never play it in front of my daughter or my wife… so why do I like it so much? Am I a psychopath? I don’t think I am, what I find appealing is when, there are all these groups/bodies/departments/churches/teachers/leaders/snobs (just kidding)/ telling me what is right and wrong (with an agenda) and telling me how I should feel and act, I find music where there are no boundaries, where there is no control but only pure uncensored human emotion attractive, this is what I find cathartic and appealing. When a G. Rap artist can pick any word in existence, throw out any thought that comes to their mind, then I find beauty in that, even though the end product can often appear vile on the surface. I think that this is what gangster rap, death metal and punk rock have in common and it is the very reason they became so popular amongst the young in the 80’s-90’s. I recall Ice-T used to listen to Megadeath before he would go in and record his rap albums, so he would get all pumped up. I guess what I am saying is to someone who loves gangster rap, punk and death metal, there should be no censorship, as raw human emotion morally right or wrong (often wrong) is the very essence of it's appeal. This is the appeal of gangster rap genre, it caters to the dark emotions which are part of humanity and it should be respected as that.

So in summary I don’t mean to preach to you about race, as you would probably be more of an expert than I am, but if we agree that gangster rap music is offensive and crude on so many levels not just by the use of the N-word, I do have a problem with those Afro-Americans that are saying that only black people have the right to be offensive with the music they create, because then what might they be saying? – that black folk are retarded, that they don’t know any better? I don’t think so, I think they miss the point of the gangster rap genre (they probably never listened to it), and the very reason for it’s success..

December 21, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterOGMac

@ OGMac

Well, if we're purely going to argue art for art's sake, then sure. But the issue is art does not exist in a vacuum where it will be universally praised or understood. Which was the larger point of this post, explaining to many black people who were upset upon learning of V-Nasty rapping "gangsta" style, using the N-word who were upset. The post is meant to point out that once you create something for mass production as an artist you have no control over how it is interpreted or what creativity it spawns. No one holds a patent on invention. The main point of the original post is that if you are A) a black person who B) happens to be a rapper who C) used the word "nigga" with abandon in an attempt for cool points or street cred you cannot turn around and become shocked, shocked if the kids who grew up listening to the music devoid of historical context appropriate it and remix it as their own.

I realize that for some that gets lost in the jokes I make at Kreayshawn and V-Nasty expense (which is more about them being unoriginal in my opinion and I'm not the biggest fan of the "based" movement spawned by Lil B), but that is the main audience for this post. People who like throwing around the N-word who also happen to be black who then get upset with others use it.

As for those who choose to go the route of being offensive for the sake of art, you have to expect criticism, negative feedback and attention. Hell, they're inviting it by going a controversial route. I hardly expect to write blog posts and not get feedback. No one is above such treatment when you put yourself out there for the public to consume. Some of us just choose to be slightly more consciously aware of what we're putting out in the universe to mitigate our level of offense if the universe spits back at us.

December 21, 2011 | Registered CommenterDanielle Belton

These girls are still better than niki minaj, yet you probably would say different just because minaj is black.

October 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterPJ

@ PJ

Don't really like Minaj. But rappers-who-just-happen-to-be-white-women Peaches and Princess Superstar are both pretty awesome. I even like the occasional Iggy Azaela song. But I also really like the African American Azealia Banks.

Music is subjective, you know? One person's shit is another person's hot track. And this article is an indictment of where commercial Hip Hop has gone and who it's gone too. Not some YouTube rappers.

October 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterDanielle Belton
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