Their answer for everything is to marry a white guy even though most of them probably aren't even dating a white guy. They don't believe in being accountable for any of their own personal actions, everything is the black mans fault (I thought we were in 2009 not 1959 women can take charge of their own life now)

All they do is put down black folks and praise other communities like one day all of sudden society is gonna say screw those black men lets just accept the black women.

I don't believe so. The blogs i go to just encourage black women to be conscious of the attacks out there against them. We need a voice. Why be mad at the black women's empowerment blogs. Marrying a white man won't solve your problems, ofcourse. If you are going to IR blogs for black women and white men then ofcourse they will be discussing marriage as it pertains to black women and white men. Some of them have issues with black men, I just remind myself to not stereotype at all. If a black or white man behaves in a respectful and Godly manner then I have no problem with dating either one.

It depends on the site. I've seen some that are great. They make black women own up to what they have done and basically. "Yeah so what this happen now what are you going to do about it to better yourself?" Then there are the ones that are like you describe. Those are the ones that annoy me.

Whatever floats your boat. There's plenty of pie to go around.

I think it's myopic to have taken such a narrow sample slice of what could be considered Black Female "Empowerment" Blogs and made this harsh judgement.
Some women chose to date outside of their race and prefer it so heavily as to dedicate entire blogs to the subject. To think these blogs reflect the entire state of positive blogs aimed at Black women is just inaccurate.

That said, I don't think any one group should elevate or unify itself by mortifying another.

as long as it's tempered with logic and facts. nothing worse tha rants that aren't based on something real.

I don't care about the IR bloggers, I just don't see why its seems they are now infiltrating the black women political blogs, which I think are fantastic and ground breaking. There will turn a criminal story into a race issue, a woman who has bad judgement is gonna run into a bad guy regardless of the race. Some women love thugs and its their fault and thats why they continue to meet them.
Like even on this blog, the Warped View of Love topic became the IR blog, instead of discussed what women want and value in a man, it became about race.

And why do the black women I know who are actually with men of a different race don't harbor all that negativity and they don't run around trying to convert people.

If this politicallyincorrect person actually READ FOR COMPREHENSION then why would black women helping other black women utilize free agency and the same standards that black men have for themselves be such a problem? Why conflate empowerment with interracial dating? Who care is black women date white men? If you are a quality person you'd have no problem finding a quality mate and it should not be limited to race or ethnicity. This sounds like a disgruntled black male who typically bashes black women or a black woman who wants to block other women from making affirming choices. Get your own life and stop worrying about what other people are doing! Do you hold black men accountable for all the white women they uplift as the ideal? No of course not...

80% out of wedlock birth rate
30% marriage rate for black women
black women outnumber black men three to one
HIV is the #1 killer of black women ages 24-35

We have other things that should be a concern of yours - if you actually CARE about black women.

This nasty response is exactly what I am talking about. Did I not state that they are mixing IR dating as empowerment and I saw that as a problem instead of looking in the mirror.

How do you know black women are practicing their own form of agency and the thats why many of us are in the predicament we are in today.

Instead of having a dialogue about the issue, they accuse folks of hating black women and rattle off statistics with no links.

Fait;h: Co-sign. Well said. How interesting that the focus is put on black women's empowerment sites, but no focus is put on the black male empowerment/interracial dating/marriage sites. It's as if black men's actions in that area are expected and above question, whereas black women's actions are subject to approval.

What are these "Empowerment" blogs you're talking about? Can we have examples? Because without references or examples I'm inclined to believe this is just a straw man argument put up to use as a punching bad against progressive black women.

And also, I don't see why people think it's bad that posts about black women generate a lot of comments about race. Um...could it be because race is a huge factor in the lives of black women? And race is a factor in ANY discussion because it's an inherent part of our culture. It influences everything just like gender, class, age, etc.

Bottom line is, black women are suffering horrific, SYSTEMIC abuse that is not getting any outside attention. And a lot of black women are fed up with that shit so they've started advocating FOR THEMSELVES instead of sacrificing life, limb, and bodily integrity to protect "the community" ie. black men's egos. And I think that is why so many people feel threatened by groups of women coming together to support each other.

Obviously they don't realize that talking about black men all the time (whether postive or negative) is not women's empowerment. If you are a certain age and you haven't figured out that you have to look out for you own survival first than you are really no good to anyone, then oh well. Let the ranting continue

More than a few of the BWE blogs focus on what black women can do for themselves. They discuss what behaviors and attributes make a good man as well as what attributes and behaviors women need to acquire. A few even talk about self-love and self-worth.

As far as the IR issue, well love is love right? So expanding your pool of available dating options means increasing your chance at finding a good man. Besides, the empowerment blogs are still young yet. Just wait and see how they(we) grow.

Peace

@politicallyincorrect Since you decided to not identify yourself and lump ALL BWE blogs together and not list specific blogs you're accusing of pushing a white male at all costs agency you are simply regurgitating the same tired arguments given by the disgruntled black males that act as Internet Ike Turners to turn the topic away from individual agency and back onto black men. Do your own research if you wish to refute any of the stats I listed. I'm not doing your work for you. Even if I provided it you would still refute it as you are not interested in having an honest conversation. You just want to blame black women and hold them to different standards. The last time I checked ANY mention of accountability for black male abandonment and constant criminal activity is met with denials and derision. Of course there are plenty of wonderful black men out there, but to deny the state of the "black community" being in SHAMBLES for the majority of women and children does a great disservice. This blog audience should be aware there are blogs and Youtube videos of black men stating they want to physically harm black women and ASIA MCGOWAN was actually murdered by one such hateful man. It always starts with a complaint like the one lodged by this poster and it grows from there. We need to monitor all these people for their public displays of aggression and complaining as more black women free themselves lest they spill over into real life.

Southland Diva I just took a look at your blog, I like it. I am not talking about empowerment bloggers like yours, yours is a very good example of positive upliftment form women

Identify myself? I am politicallyincorrect, a Blacksob reader. I am not an internet Ike Turner, I just make sure I don't run into real life Ike Turners. I am not a blogger. Maybe you are just coming to the realization I came to a long time ago. Just b/c someone is your skinfolk doesn't mean they are your kinfolk.

"The last time I checked ANY mention of accountability for black male abandonment and constant criminal activity is met with denials and derision."

Who is in denial? Those black intellegensia you see on TV who make excuses for this mess because they get paid to write books about it or the women who continue to support these men. Everyone else knows they are trifling (including other men) and don't expect much from them. I just think these people are the loudest in our community or they are just the ones given the microphone.

What blogs are we even talking about? Everyone's speaking generally, but I haven't come across any of the offending blogs.

Excerpts please!

I read a couple of the black women's empowerment blogs, and the ones I read seldom talk about black men. Most of the time that the topic of black men comes up is when black men come on the sites making nasty comments/accusations about black women and/or making excuses for the abdication of their responsibilities and hijack the discussions. Otherwise, the blogs I read talk about what black women should be doing and should be avoiding. I think you take the empowerment websites too personally - a lot of men don't like feeling left out of black women's talk. They claim not to care what we're talking about, yet they troll the websites and keep commenting.

BL, here are the black women's empowerment websites I read regularly: blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com; actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com; muslimbushido.blogspot.com; blackfemaleinterracialmarriage.com; interracialloveandspicebysara.blogspot.com; and thecwexperience.wordpress.com.

@ poiticallyincorrect

Is it possible that you can give us some explicit examples of which specific BWE websites you are speaking of? In my experience, they all run the gamut just like any other group of blogs that center on a common cause. I believe this is an interesting topic, but I don't want to make the tired mistake of conflating ALL of the blogs together. Please provide specific examples and then we can discuss openly and intelligently. I eagerly await your response.

I have been to quite a few Black women empowerment sites, and not a single one bashed Black men. The irony is the women who bash their men the most are WHITE. And they do it on television, in magazines as well as on the Internet. Black women on the other hand -- in general -- will uphold any Black man as a "good Black man" as long as he primarily dates Black women, even if he beats, rapes and even murders his Black women. They often tell themselves the lie that it must his victim's fault, and "if he were my man things would be different because I'm a better woman." Think Chris Brown and the minister who attempted to murder his wife in front of a hotel. The Reverend has a new Black woman in his life, who's probably telling herself those very lies as we post.

The blogs I view talk about Black women needing to stop deluding themselves, and to accept a GOOD man's love regardless of ethnicity (not just White men), so that they can have the happy, fulfilling MARRIAGES, and legitimate children, they deserve. What is wrong with that?!

Too many Black women settle for far less QUALITY (aka Character and Morality) in a Black man, so that they can have a man in their lives that pleases the Black community. How many Black women have you known who were hardworking, religious and committed to a man who was the exact opposite? If you're like me, you've known at least two in your lifetime. That is not just stupid and short sighted, but self-destructive as well. BWE blogs talk about changing that pattern of behavior, by opening up to men of ANY ethnicity (including Black) who share your morality and life goals. Oddly enough, just last night, I came across a blog by a White man who made statements along the lines of this topic, and, unlike PoliticallyIncorrect, I quote:

"I've received complaints from many people that most of the people who leave comments here are black women. But the truth is that most of the people who leave comments here are black men. It's just that most of them don't get published because A: They mindlessly worship white women, B: They make numerous baseless attacks against black women, or C: Both.

Frankly, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing the same mindless argument that black women are just as bad as white women, or that women of all races display that behavior because from my experience it simply isn't true. To all of you who continue to try in vain to post here, read the title of this blog. It's not American Women Suck. It's not Women Suck, and it's not Black Women Suck.

While white women go to college to skank it up in front of the camera, other women go to get a degree. Black women not only go to get a degree, but they go to get a good job to support the black men in their lives who will in turn most likely cheat on her. When black women stop going to college to support black men and start going to skank it up like white women do, then fine I might believe you if you try to tell me that black women suck.

When black women use their black husband's money to PAY TO HAVE SEX WITH MEN OF OTHER RACES like white women do, then you might have an argument if you try to say black women suck.
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I've noticed that there seem to be two groups of men who keep spreading this lie. One is white men who have never dated interracially and therefore don't know any better. The other is black men who seem to have an endless capacity to bash black women for seemingly anything and everything. The white men have no reason to spread these lies. I think they just do it out of sheer stupidity. I used to think that the black men who do this do it just because they like to complain. But I think they have another reason.

Considering the high rate of murder, incarceration, and inter-racial dating among black men, and the overwhelming loyalty of black women, for every single black man walking the streets, he has a veritable harem of black women who are willing to give there bodies to him and even go so far as to take care of him.

From a man's point of view, what more could any man ask for in life? This situation suits black men just fine. But, what if men of other races start to take women away from their loyal harem? All of a sudden life doesn't seem so peachy. So it's my belief that black men don't even believe most of their own complaints about black women, they just do so as a deterrent to other men who might be considering 'stealing from their harem'."
(Read it all at http://whitewomensuck.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=28)

These are thoughts and suspicions I have had, and expressed, about why so many Black men seem to feel such an overwhelming need to bash Black women, despite the fact that most were raised by a SINGLE Black mother who could have aborted them, put them in foster care, given them away or otherwise abandon them, just as the majority of their fathers did.

I would LOVE to see a list of these “Black male bashing” BWE sites you complain of in your post. I haven't found one yet, but I've only recently started looking at BWE. But I've never, in the whole of my life, had a problem with Black men or women dating outside our “race.” In the end it makes no difference one way or the other, because at the end of the day we're all the same race: Human.

wow, this is heated.

i say get down with the swirl.

Yep this is really getting getting heated. Raina is out of here.

Wow, I wouldn't go to a site called whitewomensuck. I don't hate, why the hate? Hate solves nothing.

@NAGROM: I assumed that at first too, but after actually READING what Harry Potter had to say I changed my mind. I think the following quote, from the aforementioned blog, is apt: "Was it hatred and revenge when Martin Luther King Jr. spoke out against racial injustices and unfairness? No. And it's a good thing that he and other civil rights activists didn't adopt the apathetic attitude toward injustice and racism that many people today display regarding the selfishness and racism of white women. Otherwise, many people (including some that post on here) would not enjoy the freedoms today that they do."

Most of what he says has been said before by people like anti-racism activist/speaker Tim Wise and a few Black Feminist (or Womanist) blogs. Remember the hell that broke loose in that quarter when Hilary didn't win the nomination? But that's for another post altogether.