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She's pretty and from Tanzania, but looks basically like your standard cute black girl from anywhere ... plus a set of huge ones and a lacefront.
Click here to see what I'm talking about. (Blackvoices Newswire)
So, essentially what Playboy finds attractive (in this case a black/African woman with white features, big boobs and a super weave), remains true to the Pamela Anderson standard of porntastic Western beauty.
For her clothes doffing troubles she received: "$100,000 in prize money, a new Mazda6 car, and a big Playboy magazine bottle of Patron."
A certain website with the initials MTO, that I visit for reasons unknown to my higher self, flashed a headline about this like it was a huge accomplishment that we finally have a black playmate of the year. ummm....as a black woman, i simply fail to see how this is anything to celebrate.
agreed not something to 'celebrate'. However (dilettante pulls out soap box) perhaps "In the age of Obama" it may help some people [black Americans] build a better idea of who they are , and who Africans are etc. I think a lot of people really got confused over "blackness" was he,Barack, black enough & to my shame, that is NOT something only white people asked. Is 'blackness" a skin color (relatively speaking?) a Race? a life style, a nationality, a genre of music? It can be all of these things and none of them depending on context-> and it is the context that we have to expand.
Yep this girl has a super weave,( big ,fake?) boobs - but I'm not prepared to say she has "white" features. The features are on her black African face- they're hers. As we recognize that there are black people who exist in parallel universes (other countries/ with other histories) than "us"- we have to stop framing everything in a US centric white/black frame. Dare I open the can of worms about her skin color- she doesn't appear to be coal black, and Tanzania is deep sub-Saharan Africa- no one would mistake her for an Arab/Berber Moroccan or Libyan etc.
Porntastic is right.
I was attempting to make the point in the most succinct way that she didn't look like a sub-Saharan African. So "white features" may be a bit harsh, but that's what I was alluding to when I said she looked like your typical black girl from anywhere -- re: anywhere there was racial mixing, slavery and/or colonialism explaining why she wasn't A) dark or B) Tanzanian looking. I would be shocked, SHOCKED if Playboy had picked any person of any ethnicity who had a bulbous nose, as black people aren't the only people who have them. But people with bulbous noses usually aren't praised for being Playboy, sexual fetish worthy.
Not that they should necessarily want to be tho. It's really more of what's considered as safe and acceptable beauty by pornography standards. She's pretty damn safe looking in that she's not what anyone would ever call "exotic" -- a term usually reserved for those who are good looking but not "Western" looking enough.
the most succinct way that she didn't look like a sub-Saharan African. I got that. My point was , I think "we" need to broaden our idea of what a sub-Saharan African looks like. I'll go one further and add what a "white" person looks like- not every white person has a shall we say sharp or aquiline nose:, see Jennifer Aniston, Cameron Diaz, (both safely white) who've both had their "non white" noses modified and I contend their noses would not look out of place on a 'black' girl both the before and after versions.
"re: anywhere there was racial mixing, slavery and/or colonialism" point taken. But whats to suggest that she's not 'pure'? Not all 'pure' Africans have super dark skin**. I only ventured to mention this on this particular subject becuase of where she's from, e.g. NOT the horn of Africa, so we could leave aside the "white features" of Iman, Liya Kbbe, etc who are also sub-sahahran African, but some helpful commenter (usually non black) would would feel honor bound to educate us on the the west African origin of black Americans, accuse of trying to take the pyramids away from them etc. (scarcism)
But yeah- I get your overall point about western/porn beauty standards. keep snobbing girl- I love your blog
****link to pic's of some of Africa's first Ladies.Disclaimer- I know that Chantal from Cameron is half (white)French- but her weave is out of this world, and I wouldn't be surprised if she did use a skin lightener.
Has any of you acutally bothered to look at her name. She is biracial, African mom, European father.
I am sick of the black people we are the world types. Yes there are features that are black/African, if someoene points out differences stop getting defensive, the person in question can be an actual multi racial person and not only black. Arabs and Europeans rolled up in African too. Black knows black stop frontin
That Cameroon first lady looks like a bootleg wannabee version of Beyonce.
Why oh why do so many Americans assume all sub-saharan Africans look like Alek Wek (no disrespect to Miss Wek, I think she is beautiful.)Don't be lazy, do some actual research ...and I do not mean checking out National Geographic.Better yet - visit Africa. Not just South Africa but The Gambia, Kenya, Botswana, Sierra Leone, Ghana, etc. It may well change your life.
Her mom's Tanzanian and her father's Swedish. She also sounds like she grew up here in the US because she has no accent. She is African, but also biracial. I've been watching The #1 Ladies Detective Agency and not all Africans look the same. They are as diverse in their appearance as we African Americans are. Many of the features that we associate with being Caucasian or Native American are indeed African. Let's not hate on a girl who is more African then we are.
@dilettante. Why wouldn't it surprise you if the Cameroonian first lady used skin lighteners? Is it because she is African and therefore simply "cannot be that light-skinned' even though by your own admission she is biracial? Zillions of biracials come in many hues INCLUDING being so light as to be mistaken for white BUT according to you Mrs Biya's colour may be as a result of skin bleaching! Do you know ANYTHING of African people? The wide array of hues, noses, culture, body structures, etc?? Do you? Don't answer that!Jeez, some of you are so up your own asses...or mired in self-hate...Sad. Yet your origins are African. Some of you AA look down on Africa so much I guess you consider it a blessing that your ancestors moved (or were moved) out of there, right? Jeez.
@ dearest Lili
Why wouldn't it surprise you if the Cameroonian first lady used skin lighteners?
Probably for some of the same reasons, you might think, Mrs. Obama, and many many other African American women have their hair chemically straightened etc. You probably ,have not ,seen the entire population of AfAm women, but based on the small sample size, you know, & access to mass media, etc - you're are able to make a statement;- that black American women do, um because, it happens. Just as skin bleaching creams happen in Africa, India,S. America etc& the good ole USA You get it?
Do you know ANYTHING of African people?
umm that would be affirmative, why some of my dearest friends are African Nationals :-). Please don't patronize me, read what I wrote, my first comment: To Danielle quote "I think "we" need to broaden our idea of what a sub-Saharan African looks like." [ the "we" here is African Americans, like myself and Danielle ]. .. and my quote prior to that ..I'm not prepared to say she has "white" features. The features are on her black African face- they're hers. As we recognize that there are black people who exist in parallel universes (other countries/ with other histories) than "us"- we have to stop framing everything in a US centric white/black frame. Dare I open the can of worms about her skin color- she doesn't appear to be coal black, and Tanzania is deep sub-Saharan Africa
The point I was making is I didn't see her nose,[Ida Ljungqvist] as "white" . Nor did I suspect, or think , before someone else mentioned it, that she had a white parent. I made a point that I was not talking about our lovely sisters from the Maghreb, Sahel, or horn of Africa. I know that there is a diversity in skin color, features, hair texture etc in "pure" Africans. I have a beautiful office mate from Rwanda , with very dark skin who has "whiter" features than Jennifer Anniston , Cameron Diaz.
The reason I posted the link to the pictures was an failed attempt to show/spread awareness of the range of African beauty there is.
It was wrong of me to make the claim about Ms. Chantel, I don't know anything about what skin treatments she uses.
Yet your origins are African. Indeed they are which is why I refer to myself as African American, vs "black", Negro etc.
Some of you AA look down on Africa so much..I guess you consider it a blessing that your ancestors movedI'm not even going to go there, but lets say it's its not just AfAm's who sometimes have a colonized mind.
We should be clapping for this? O_o Okay....
We should be clapping for this? O_o Okay...Yeah,its really ground breaking, I mean when has the American public ever had the chance to view a woman of Afro descent as an sexual object? Or for that matter, a woman born in Africa whose breasts aren't flaccid from starvation- This is cutting edge.
@dilettanteI "get" that many black (or Asian) women use skin lighteners and hair relaxers. Heck, in many African countries some folks have become millionaires simply by selling this stuff. I get that. But, why target Mrs Biya? Even if she were not biracial one should not automatically assume this - but - hello, she is! Yet you still choose to place her name and skin lighteners in the same sentence.Are you admitting to possesing a colonized mind? Can you expand on this? I am well aware of the damaging effects of colonialism and racism but these serve as no excuse for the belittlement and downright ignorance some AA display towards Africa. Which is why, yes, I went "there"- for I could only surmise that because some AA distance themselves so readily from the Motherland it can only be assumed that they are happy about the circumstances around which their ancestors came to the US.
@dilettante"Some of my dearest friends are African" Sounds like the "some of my best friends are black"...ruse whites use to explain how they could not possibly be racist. Yet you accuse me of patronizing you? What a laugh."She does not appear to be coal black, Tanzania is the deepest sub-Saharan Africa." So all Tanzanians residing in the "deepest sub-saharan Africa" are coal black? Please, please stop displaying your limited knowledge (mostly acquired from google and CNN) on Africa. TRY and visit.Or talk about something else.
But, why target Mrs Biya? It was wrong, I apologize, but come on- the woman does not look like she wouldn't exercise and every artifice >to maximize some weird view of beauty (+ I have an anti French/'Francophone bias-don't ask).
"Some of my dearest friends are African" Yep that's snark all right ,in response to your comment "Jeez, some of you are so up your own asses...or mired in self-hate..." when its patently obvious you DID NOT bother to read my observations to understand where I'm coming from.
Speaking of which, the "where" I'm coming from happens to be Central London, (the UK), Shock horror!, AfAm's as well as Af Nationals are exposed to travel. I'm not sure what was too colloquial in my English that has PREVENTED you from understanding my words about the >presumption of Danielle, or other posters to attribute so called "white" features, lighter skin tone to Ms. Ljungqvist to racial mixing. Can you follow that? to put it in another way, I dilettante, can understand that some one who is is 'purely' African does not automatically mean that person has skin the color of graphite. Turns out this girl is mixed, but my point was/is that fact was not obvious to me just from looking at her picture even with the knowledge that she was from Africa.
My statement on her skin color was preferenced by the phrase "'can of worms"' -> as I freely acknowledge that AfAM's often think of sub Saharan Africans of looking in a "Singular" way.
You know I'm working on my second language of Arabic, I practice with my bf who's was born and raised in Khartoum Sudan, (who is, I secretly think, a bit too proud that Arabic is his mother tongue). Perhaps you need to spend a little working on your English before you engage a native speaker in this inanity.
"or I could only surmise that because some AA distance themselves so readily from the Motherland it can only be assumed that they are happy about the circumstances around which their ancestors came to the US".
Feel free to join the Pat Buchanan school of thought on what 'America' has done for "blacks"o and its attendant 'otherization' if you want to. I don't think its not a good look for a black immigrant, but suit yourself. I've seen , first hand, the poverty in Ireland, Glasgow, Scotland, and several other 3rd rate European cities, that still exists today, that Mr. Buchanan ancestors and many other whites escaped when they made it to America.
While I totally dig learning about my Sudanese friend's Arabized history, identity etc- I'm completely satisfied with my own.
The rest of your argument is
@ dilettanteI have made my point and have no desire to prolong this cyber conversation anymore. Besides it has become somewhat dull. Also you do not need to prove your Afrocentric credentials by bringing up your Sudanese bf at every turn. As to the anti-French bias, don't apologise - it is completely mutual.Finally how very "Pat Buchanan" it is to try to belittle my English in order to advance your own side of the argument. No English is not my first language. But unlike your ancestors it was voluntarily taught me at school. To me that sure beats how YOU got to learn it.
homegirl isn't even full black! whatever... i don't see this as an accomplishment anyway
Well, the accomplishment is: WHITE MEN RECOGNIZED MY BEAUTY AND DECIDED TO PUT IT IN A MAGAZINE. (Rolling my eyes)
CAT-FIGHT!!!!Who's pullin' hair first?
@Zion ... so .. would you prefer we DIDN'T find you beautiful. Can't have it BOTH ways now... wanting Everybody to notice a black woman's special, unique beauty ... and then complaining he's a white guy! LOL. What you WANT?!
I think Ms. Ida is very good looking aka fine as hell.It doesn't matter to me too much that she isn't dark-skinned. What's a shame is that to me it seems like Playboy never picks top-notched dark skinned girls for their pictorials. The ones they do include are aight, but trust when I say I've seen waaay finer dark sistas on the street. At the end of the day, although light like Obama, they both represent 2009 well in that they're the first of many, and signs of the times.